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    Quote Originally Posted by Esho View Post
    This thread is about silence not about the idea I have of God, but anyway I will elaborate a little about it.

    For me god is something that approaches the experience of the true reality of all dharmas; like a cosmic consciousness or emptiness where things manifest. 'Ku' in japanese. I don't want to elaborate too much because it is a huge mystery that only can be experienced not reasoned.

    Someone wrote to ask me what "Ku" means in Japanese. I think Esho means this Kanji, Kuu, 空, empty air, sky, shunyata, emptiness.

    https://jisho.org/search/%E7%A9%BA%20%23kanji

    Some folks sometimes say that one must be an atheist to be a Buddhist. We have some Christian and Jewish folks (also a couple of Islamic folks) who come practice with us. When this topic comes up, I say that one can practice Zen Buddhism while also a political liberal, conservative or apolitical, baseball fan or football fan or no sports fan at all, Catholic, Jewish or Muslim, Atheist or Agnostic. I would say that, so long as it is a belief system that avoids hate, violence, excess greed and such (e.g., a "Zen Buddhist Nazi" will go a dark way), all can mix.

    Also, Some forms of Christianity and Judaism or other belief may be practiced in ways that shut out or are incompatible with other systems such as Buddhism (due to the problem of rejection and exclusivism on the other side ... "Jesus is the only way, meditation is evil" etc. ... not on the "Zen" side), but not all Christians and Jews practice in such ways. Some ways of practicing Christianity and Judaism are quite compatible and harmonious with Zen Practice. Some have a unnamed, open vision of deity that could be "Kuu 空". Sure.

    People sometimes say that Buddha was an atheist. From my reading on the question over the years, it is more that he simply did not express an opinion on the subject as central to his Teachings, one way or the other. Further, he was addressing the system of gods in Indian religion, which was a bit of a different way of things. More here:

    http://buddhism.about.com/od/basicbu...dhaatheism.htm

    Zen is no more impacted by whether there is a "God" or no "God" than it is impacted by whether there is a table or no table in the same room where you sit Zazen. In either case ... table/no table or God/No God ... the sitting is the same. That is because we always sit as "what is" ... and if there is a table, that is "what is. If there is no table, that is "what is".

    I often say ...

    If there is a "God" ... whether in the Judeo-Christian way or some other, whether named "Allah" "Jehovah" "Thor" "Brahma" or "Stanley" ... I will fetch water and chop wood, seeking to live in a gentle way, avoiding harm to self and others (not two, by the way).

    If there is no "God" "Allah" or "Stanley", or any source or creator or point to the universe at all, I will fetch water and chop wood, seeking to live in a gentle way, avoiding harm to self and others (not two, by the way).


    In China, Vietnam and Korea for 1000 years (less so in Japan for historical reasons), many folks practice forms of Zen Buddhism mixed with prayers to Amida Buddha (a savior figure surprisingly like Jesus in many many ways) who promises to take the faithful to the heavenlike "Pure Land" when they die, and also to other saintly figures like Kannon and Jizo who may lend assistance to those in this world in need.

    That about sums up my view, I am pretty agnostic on the whole topic ... happy to chop and fetch. I am not a big fan of "cosmic consciousness" ideas that are too simple.

    Gassho, J

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    Quote Originally Posted by jundo cohen
    or "Stanley"
    I'm agnostic about these things too - but I might investigate more about "Stanley"!!

    Meanwhile.....

    "the Dharma is visible in the here-&-now, timeless, inviting verification, pertinent, to be realized by the wise for themselves."


    https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipi....047.than.html



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    Quote Originally Posted by jundo cohen View Post

    I often say ...

    If there is a "God" ... whether in the Judeo-Christian way or some other, whether named "Allah" "Jehovah" "Thor" "Brahma" or "Stanley" ... I will fetch water and chop wood, seeking to live in a gentle way, avoiding harm to self and others (not two, by the way).

    If there is no "God" "Allah" or "Stanley", or any source or creator or point to the universe at all, I will fetch water and chop wood, seeking to live in a gentle way, avoiding harm to self and others (not two, by the way).

    That's it! Indeed God -whatever you want it to be- is not the important aspect of practice but to eat your food and wash the dishes.

    Thanks Jundo


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    A huge amount of suffering, confusion and stress comes from inner speech. Through Zazen inner speech stops and happens inner silence. Through inner silence happens wisdom and peace. Through wisdom and peace, satori.


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    "Practice is just hearing, just seeing, just feeling. This is what Christians call the face of God: simply taking in this world as it manifests. We feel our body; we hear the cars and birds. That’s all there is."


    ~ Charlotte Joko Beck.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloka View Post
    "Practice is just hearing, just seeing, just feeling. This is what Christians call the face of God: simply taking in this world as it manifests. We feel our body; we hear the cars and birds. That’s all there is."


    ~ Charlotte Joko Beck.





    Wow, I love this!

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