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    Ajahn Amaro talking for just over 16 minutes in connection with "Holding Both the Ultimate and the Conventional"






    Any comments about what he said?

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    Thanks for the post Aloka. If anyone ever asks me what my enlightenment experiences mean to me I can point them in the direction of this Ajahn Amaro explanation. There is no 'thing' to find, but we have to work on how we can experience the world in these two ways. Nothing changes, but once we experience the Ultimate, the relationship we have with the Conventional is never the same again. I like his analogy of standing still in a stream yet feeling the tug of the current, reminding us that we are in fast moving water that could, if we are not careful, push us off our feet and sweep us away.

    I posted on a couple of other sites using the name 'stillpointdancer'. I kind of regret that since I'd now rather use my real name, but I used it then to show how I would describe experiencing both the ultimate and conventional at the same time, or rather living with the aftermath of an enlightenment experience and then facing the world again. I got rather taken with an image of Shiva which popped into my head one time. Shiva as dancing but frozen in a point in time, dancing but not moving. T.S. Eliot used something similar when defining dance:

    At the still point of the turning world. Neither flesh nor fleshless;
    Neither from nor towards; at the still point, there the dance is,
    But neither arrest nor movement. And do not call it fixity,
    Where past and future are gathered. Neither movement from nor towards,
    Neither ascent nor decline. Except for the point, the still point,
    There would be no dance, and there is only dance.
    I can only say, there we have been: but I cannot say where.
    And I cannot say, how long, for that is to place it in time.

    (Eliot) From 'Burnt Norton', the first of the Four Quartets

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    Hi Phil,

    Ajahn Sumedho talks about "the stillpoint" in the chapters "Identity" (page 51) and "Cittanupassana" (Page165) of his book "The Sound of Silence."

    https://cdn.amaravati.org/wp-content...of-Silence.pdf


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    Thanks, I'll have a look at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloka View Post
    Hi Phil,

    Ajahn Sumedho talks about "the stillpoint" in the chapters "Identity" (page 51) and "Cittanupassana" (Page165) of his book "The Sound of Silence."

    https://cdn.amaravati.org/wp-content...of-Silence.pdf

    Hello Aloka,

    I wonder if you have the rest of the series of this anthology.

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    Hi Esho,

    There are 5 volumes in the anthology and they contain transcripts of talks and interviews given by Ajahn Sumedho over a number of years .

    Volume 1 - Peace is a Simple step:

    https://www.amaravati.org/dhamma-boo...a-simple-step/

    Volume 2 - Seeds of Understanding:

    https://cdn.amaravati.org/wp-content...erstanding.pdf

    Volume 3: - Direct Realisation:

    https://www.amaravati.org/dhamma-boo...t-realization/


    Volume 4 - The Sound of Silence:

    https://cdn.amaravati.org/wp-content...of-Silence.pdf


    Volume 5 - The Wheel of Truth:

    https://www.amaravati.org/dhamma-boo...heel-of-truth/




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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloka View Post
    Hi Esho,

    There are 5 volumes in the anthology and they contain transcripts of talks and interviews given by Ajahn Sumedho over a number of years .

    Volume 1 - Peace is a Simple step:

    https://www.amaravati.org/dhamma-boo...a-simple-step/

    Volume 2 - Seeds of Understanding:

    https://cdn.amaravati.org/wp-content...erstanding.pdf

    Volume 3: - Direct Realisation:

    https://www.amaravati.org/dhamma-boo...t-realization/


    Volume 4 - The Sound of Silence:

    https://cdn.amaravati.org/wp-content...of-Silence.pdf


    Volume 5 - The Wheel of Truth:

    https://www.amaravati.org/dhamma-boo...heel-of-truth/



    Thanks very much Aloka!!!

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