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    SN 20.7 Ani Sutta: The Peg

    Dear friends,

    I was looking at this sutta again and I'd be interested in reading your thoughts about it:


    SN 20.7 Ani Sutta: The Peg


    Staying at Savatthi. "Monks, there once was a time when the Dasarahas had a large drum called 'Summoner.' Whenever Summoner was split, the Dasarahas inserted another peg in it, until the time came when Summoner's original wooden body had disappeared and only a conglomeration of pegs remained.

    "In the same way, in the course of the future there will be monks who won't listen when discourses that are words of the Tathagata — deep, deep in their meaning, transcendent, connected with emptiness — are being recited. They won't lend ear, won't set their hearts on knowing them, won't regard these teachings as worth grasping or mastering. But they will listen when discourses that are literary works — the works of poets, elegant in sound, elegant in rhetoric, the work of outsiders, words of disciples — are recited. They will lend ear and set their hearts on knowing them. They will regard these teachings as worth grasping & mastering.

    "In this way the disappearance of the discourses that are words of the Tathagata — deep, deep in their meaning, transcendent, connected with emptiness — will come about.

    "Thus you should train yourselves: 'We will listen when discourses that are words of the Tathagata — deep, deep in their meaning, transcendent, connected with emptiness — are being recited. We will lend ear, will set our hearts on knowing them, will regard these teachings as worth grasping & mastering.' That's how you should train yourselves."



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    This Buddha Sasana has lasted so far 2600 years and according to some interpreters of Suttanta will last approximately another 2400 years.

    For the first 400 years, in order to hear the words of the Buddha, you would have had to either, a) encountered him, b) been a reciter (banaka) of a Nikaya, or 3) been a listener to the banaka. This is all assuming that your language was somewhere in the Indo-Aryan prakrit continuum on which existed Pali, otherwise it would be like Charlie Brown's parents speaking; we can see from the Ashokan pillars how poor the ancient Greek translations were.

    For the next 2100 years, you would either have to a) belong to an Order of monks, or been close enough to the order to be able to receive instructions from these monks. In the past approximately 100 years, you would be able to receive information on the material from the Tipitika, first, filtered down from hostile source, then from sympathetic (but benevolently ignorant and misled sources) and finally you would have a chance to begin reading the Suttas yourself.

    It was 1995 when the Majjhima Nikaya was first translated for a mass audience in the English language.

    With the internet, English language websites proliferated and if the analyzed trends of information and data which are true for all of society are true for Buddhism, then there have been more readers of the Suttas in the past ten years than in all of the 2590 (or however many) previous years combined.

    This may superficially seem like a cause for celebration: perhaps the sasana will last longer than the prediction? After all, we may imagine book burnings and Orwellian dictatorships which would suppress our access to Dhamma, but when we look at the Suttas we find that this is all in alignment with the Buddha's prediction of the Dhamma losing flavor due to dilution of the teachings.

    If we go to any major book stores, how many words written about "Buddhism" can you find and how many words written by the Buddha can you find?

    What is the percentage?

    From my own experience, the cottage-industry of Buddhist nonfiction rarely, if ever quotes sutta directly.


    They won't lend ear, won't set their hearts on knowing them, won't regard these teachings as worth grasping or mastering. But they will listen when discourses that are literary works — the works of poets, elegant in sound, elegant in rhetoric, the work of outsiders, words of disciples — are recited.
    https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipi....007.than.html
    "It's not the earth property that makes the true Dhamma disappear. It's not the water property... the fire property... the wind property that makes the true Dhamma disappear.[2] It's worthless people who arise right here [within the Sangha] who make the true Dhamma disappear. The true Dhamma doesn't disappear the way a boat sinks all at once.
    https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipi....013.than.html

    So despite our instinctual dislike of the idea of book-burning, it will not be fire or water that will destroy the Dhamma on earth, it will be those among us who proclaim adhamma as dhamma and dhamma as adhamma.

    Thus from corrupt Dhamma comes corrupt discipline; from corrupt discipline, corrupt Dhamma.
    https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipi....079.than.html

    During the time of the Buddha, according to the suttas, there existed individuals who could listen to a single discourse and attain magga and phala almost immediately. These Ugghatitaññu were rare, however their existence suggests that the exposure to sutta and the amount of spiritual attainments are perhaps an inverse relationship, or at the very least, not converse.

    The more and more time goes by, the more counterfeit dhamma will proliferate as a percentage of those who hear the Buddha, more revisionist hermeneutics in the name of Buddhism will be created, and less and less Ariya will be produced, until one day there will not even be a single stream-enterer walking the earth, and this will be a new Dark age from which we will not exit for quite a long time.
    Last edited by manoPG; 10 Feb 19 at 17:55.

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