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Aloka
19 Nov 15, 06:48
Dear friends,

What are your thoughts/beliefs about Nibbana/Nirvana?


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gogota
20 Nov 15, 13:18
I don't believe in Nirvana.

You live, you die. That was it. End of story.

But the inner peace will continue after death.

Why many people thought human being is the highest form ? We can't fly, We can't live without clothes , so many from the same species trying to hurt us everyday , our 'way of life' is killing the earth very fast.

For me, human being is the lowest form of life.

daverupa
20 Nov 15, 21:54
I recommend Nirvana: Concept, Imagery and Narrative by Steven Collins for a succinct, yet dense, overview of this topic.

Human life isn't high or low, it's simply an opportunity to see nibbana for oneself.

Aloka
28 Feb 16, 09:32
I thought I'd revive this topic on Nibbana/Nirvana to add a quote from the suttas, followed by a quote from Ajahn Chah:




SN 43.2. Serenity and Insight

“Bhikkhus, I will teach you the unconditioned and the path leading to the unconditioned. Listen to that….

“And what, bhikkhus, is the unconditioned? The destruction of lust, the destruction of hatred, the destruction of delusion: this is called the unconditioned.

“And what, bhikkhus, is the path leading to the unconditioned? Serenity and insight: this is called the path leading to the unconditioned….”

https://suttacentral.net/en/sn43.2




and an excerpt from "Towards the Unconditioned" by the late Ajahn Chah:





The Buddha talked about sankhata dhammas and asankhata dhammas - conditioned and unconditioned things. Conditioned things are innumerable - material or immaterial, big or small - if our mind is under the influence of delusion, it will proliferate about these things, dividing them up into good and bad, short and long, coarse and refined. Why does the mind proliferate like this? Because it doesn't know determined reality, it doesn't see the Dhamma. Not seeing the Dhamma, the mind is full of clinging. As long as the mind is held down by clinging there can be no escape, there is confusion, birth, old age, sickness and death, even in the thinking processes. This kind of mind is called the sankhata dhamma (conditioned mind).

Asankhata dhamma, the unconditioned, refers to the mind which has seen the Dhamma, the truth, of the five khandhas as they are - as transient, imperfect and ownerless. All ideas of ''me'' and ''them,'' ''mine'' and ''theirs,'' belong to the determined reality. Really they are all conditions. When we know the truth of conditions, as neither ourselves nor belonging to us, we let go of conditions and the determined. When we let go of conditions we attain the Dhamma, we enter into and realize the Dhamma. When we attain the Dhamma we know clearly. What do we know? We know that there are only conditions and determinations, no being, no self, no ''us'' nor ''them.'' This is knowledge of the way things are.

Seeing in this way the mind transcends things. The body may grow old, get sick and die, but the mind transcends this state. When the mind transcends conditions, it knows the unconditioned. The mind becomes the unconditioned, the state which no longer contains conditioning factors. The mind is no longer conditioned by the concerns of the world, conditions no longer contaminate the mind. Pleasure and pain no longer affect it. Nothing can affect the mind or change it, the mind is assured, it has escaped all constructions. Seeing the true nature of conditions and the determined, the mind becomes free.

This freed mind is called the Unconditioned, that which is beyond the power of constructing influences. If the mind doesn't really know conditions and determinations, it is moved by them.

Encountering good, bad, pleasure, or pain, it proliferates about them. Why does it proliferate? Because there is still a cause. What is the cause? The cause is the understanding that the body is one's self or belongs to the self; that feelings are self or belonging to self; that perception is self or belonging to self; that conceptual thought is self or belonging to self; that consciousness is self or belonging to self. The tendency to conceive things in terms of self is the source of happiness, suffering, birth, old age, sickness and death. This is the worldly mind, spinning around and changing at the directives of worldly conditions. This is the conditioned mind.


https://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Toward_Unconditioned1.php





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ancientbuddhism
05 Mar 16, 13:59
Nibbāna = awakening to the relevant via freedom from things not.


I recommend Nirvana: Concept, Imagery and Narrative by Steven Collins for a succinct, yet dense, overview of this topic.

A location for a digital copy:

Nirvana-Concept-Imagery-Narrative (http://assets.cambridge.org/97805218/81982/frontmatter/9780521881982_frontmatter.pdf)

Esho
05 Mar 16, 22:08
Like in the 'Realms' thread Nibbana is another mental state that can be reached if we follow the teachings of Gotama the Buddha.