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Esho
04 Aug 12, 05:37
Hello all,

Here the Buddha is giving an inspiring teaching in order to cool clinging and craving pointing toward Nibbana. If that is so, then,

is this teaching a way of mental cultivation -as meditation- or it is just wisdom as Right View?



2. Monks what is beneficial for extinction?

3, 4, 5, 6 & 7 ßHere, monks the monk reflects the eye, forms, eye-consciousness, eye-contact, [ear, nose, tongue, body] and whatever feelings pleasant, unpleasant or neither unpleasant nor pleasant born of eye-contact [ear, nose, tongue, body] as unpleasant.

8. ßThe monk reflects the mind, ideas, mind-consciousness, mind-contact and whatever feelings pleasant, unpleasant or neither unpleasant nor pleasant born of mind-contact as unpleasant.

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3. ßHere, monks the monk reflects the eye, forms, eye-consciousness, eye-contact and whatever feelings pleasant, unpleasant or neither unpleasant nor pleasant born of eye-contact as lacking self

4, 5, 6, 7 ßThe monk reflects the ear, nose, tongue, the bodyscents nose-consciousness, [...]

8. ßThe monk reflects the mind, ideas, mind-consciousness, mind-contact and whatever feelings pleasant, unpleasant or neither unpleasant nor pleasant born of mind-contact as lacking self.

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3. ßMonks, is the eye permanent or impermanent?û

ßVenerable sir, it is impermanent.û

ßThat which is impermanent is it unpleasant or pleasant?û

ßVenerable sir, it is unpleasant.û

ßThat impermanent, unpleasant, changing thing is it suitable to be considered, it is mine, I am there, it is my self?û ßNo, venerable sir, it is not so.û

[...]

ßThose impermanent, unpleasant changing things are they suitable to be considered, are mine, I am there, it is my self?û ßNo, venerable sir, it is not so.û

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9. ßMonks the learned noble disciple seeing it thus turns from the eye, [nose, tongue, mind] turns from whatever feelings pleasant, unpleasant or neither unpleasant nor pleasant born of mind-contact, loses interest and knows I have nothing more to wish.

10. Monks, this is the beneficial method for extinction.û

Navapuranavaggo (http://www.metta.lk/tipitaka/2Sutta-Pitaka/3Samyutta-Nikaya/Samyutta4/34-Salayatana-Samyutta/15-Navapuranavaggo-e.html)



Any comments?

:hands:

vanuatu
04 Aug 12, 16:32
Maybe if wisdom is considered a composite thing, then the cultivation here is a path to wisdom. The contemplation of this teaching has a profound effect on Right View because it really does separate the you from the feeling of "my arm, my body." Even thoughtful analysis without analytical meditation might bring on a treasured Eureka! moment. Ultimately, Right View is a composite of teachings and practice (Agree?).
I'm inclined to say this is mental cultivation, with or without meditation.

Esho
06 Aug 12, 02:40
(Agree?).

Yes vanuatu,

This teaching is a short and condensed one which has annica, anatta and dukkha as issues of mindfulness applied to the five khandas. It is, in short, a precious gem that can be brought into meditation, as an aspect of Anapanasati's fourth tetrad.


I'm inclined to say this is mental cultivation, with or without meditation.

Yes, it can be understood with contemplation and bringing it into meditation later on.

anando
13 Aug 12, 19:00
Hi buddhis,
in Pali-Canon i found the 8 freeings. The sixth step of it is Nibanam and there are two steps more to go. Nobody ever mentioned this here before.
Reading is giving higher education.
anando