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lisehull
08 Feb 10, 02:42
Has anyone done any meditation with sound as their focus? I have done a bit of this and found it to be something useful for my practice.

I have been thinking about buying a CD of singing bowls or something similar. Does anyone have a recommendation?

I guess those are two different questions . . . http://www.buddhismwithoutboundaries.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
Lise

Aloka
08 Feb 10, 02:54
Has anyone done any meditation with sound as their focus

No, sorry Lise.

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JIN ZEN
08 Feb 10, 02:56
When I am trying to be mindful in the kitchen I focus on the clock ticking.http://www.buddhismwithoutboundaries.com/images/smilies/grin.gif

lisehull
08 Feb 10, 02:57
When I am trying to be mindful in the kitchen I focus on the clock ticking.

That's an interesting suggestion . . .
Lise

JIN ZEN
08 Feb 10, 03:03
That's an interesting suggestion . . .
Lise


It's not meant to be interestinghttp://www.buddhismwithoutboundaries.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

lisehull
08 Feb 10, 05:06
I meant to say, I might have to give it a try http://www.buddhismwithoutboundaries.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif
Lise

frank
08 Feb 10, 11:20
When I am trying to be mindful in the kitchen I focus on the clock ticking

What about focusing on what your doing?

srivijaya
08 Feb 10, 15:42
Has anyone done any meditation with sound as their focus?

For a long time I never got anywhere using sound. Recently I find I am able to use it if I wish. As one of the objects of the senses, it's equally as valuable as the others in my opinion.

It's just what works for you I guess.http://www.buddhismwithoutboundaries.com/images/smilies/hands.gif

Spiny Norman
08 Feb 10, 18:24
Has anyone done any meditation with sound as their focus?

I sometimes use the tick of my shrine room clock.

Spiny

JIN ZEN
08 Feb 10, 19:27
I meant to say, I might have to give it a try
Lise

Yeah it's definitely worth trying outhttp://www.buddhismwithoutboundaries.com/images/smilies/grin.gif

JIN ZEN
08 Feb 10, 19:30
JIN ZEN #3:
When I am trying to be mindful in the kitchen I focus on the clock ticking

What about focusing on what your doing?

Yes good point I tend to do listen to the clock when I'm on my own smoking, maybe I should focus on the smoking or maybe I should just give up smoking all together.http://www.buddhismwithoutboundaries.com/images/smilies/grin.gif

JIN ZEN
08 Feb 10, 19:33
I sometimes use the tick of my shrine room clock.

Spiny

sounds like a cool room, how have you set it up?

Spiny Norman
09 Feb 10, 15:47
sounds like a cool room, how have you set it up?

It's basically a large cupboard, but it's reserved just for meditation.http://www.buddhismwithoutboundaries.com/images/smilies/wink.gif If you haven't got a spare room then it's good to dedicate an area of a room for practice. Shrines can be very simple or very complicated depending on your taste and how much room you have.

Spiny

chrisfraas
09 Feb 10, 23:08
I have a couple of 12 minute long MP3s that are a bubbling brook/forest sounds and then waves cresting on the shore.
I use them when either meditating or doing yoga to sort of 'drown out' outside noises or the TV -- if my wife is home.
This isn't really focusing on a particular sound as much as helping you do not focus on a sound.
I know this isn't really what you were talking about, but I should say that there are 'Buddha Boxes' listed on ebay or Amazon sometimes that play sound from within a monastery -- mostly chanting (and I don't know if it acts as a radio or an MP3 player as I haven't looked into buying one) -- I wonder if that might help.
Also, check your local library as there might be a CD of Lou Reed -- sorry, I can't remember the name but I now it came out within the last few years -- that is not traditionally a 'meditation sounds' CD but reviewers said that it sounded like one. I guess it's all instrumental. Maybe you can listen to it and see if that's what you want or not.
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chrisfraas
09 Feb 10, 23:30
Just found a link for a Buddha Box: http://www.amazon.com/Buddha-Sound-Machine-Brilliant-Exploration/dp/B0 01LV80Y0/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=miscellaneous&qid=1265740165&sr=8-3 (http://www.amazon.com/Buddha-Sound-Machine-Brilliant-Exploration/dp/B001LV80Y0/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=miscellaneous&qid=1265740165&sr=8-3)
Chris

lisehull
10 Feb 10, 01:35
I was actually looking for simple sounds, no human voices, no chanting, no nature sounds. I did end up finding something on Snow Lion's website.
Thanks for everyone's suggestions. http://www.buddhismwithoutboundaries.com/images/smilies/hands.gif
Lise

Spiny Norman
10 Feb 10, 15:16
...I use them when either meditating or doing yoga to sort of 'drown out' outside noises or the TV -- if my wife is home.

Another approach is just to accept the outside noises and watch how your mind reacts.

Spiny

Kevin
14 Mar 10, 00:37
Late entry, I know, but just in case you have your ears on (cb radio expression) I sometimes use "binaural beats". There are sites where you can download them as mp3's. If anyone was interested, I could briefly explain my brief experience with them. Though I suppose it differs from person to person.
Here's some general info:

URL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_beats)

lisehull
14 Mar 10, 01:05
If anyone was interested, I could briefly explain my brief experience with them.

Hi Kevin, yes, I'd be interested in your experience with this.
Lise

Kevin
14 Mar 10, 03:26
from post #19

You need someting to play these on and a fairly good pair of headphones.
The binaural beats I found most available in mp3's were:

Beta http://www.buddhismwithoutboundaries.com/images/smilies/shock.gif
These frequencies are associated with anxious thinking. When I tried them I actually felt uncomfortable. My pulse and respiration increased slightly.
So I did not find them very conducive to meditation.

Alpha http://www.buddhismwithoutboundaries.com/images/smilies/grin.gif
These were relaxing. Not in a deep sense. Comfortable. I was able to concentrate on the tone for as much as an hour. I could change my focus between it and my body.

Theta http://www.buddhismwithoutboundaries.com/images/smilies/meditate.gif
These are sometimes associated with deep meditation. As with the Alpha waves, I could still concentrate but thirty minutes was about my threshold for being with the tone. I tried shifting my focus to the body with the tone in the background and experienced the same drift. The first time I tried these I got VERY mellow. It evened out later, though.

Delta http://www.buddhismwithoutboundaries.com/images/smilies/zzz.gif
Associated with deep sleep, I didn't find these very helpful at all. I did put an Alpha, Theta, Delta string together and laid down to meditate. I didn't last long but I did wake up five hours later, completely refreshed.

Not what I would call clinical trials, but it was interesting!
...and I got one of the best sleeps.

This are two of the source sites I use:

URL (http://healingbeats.com/play.html) Healing Beats

URL (http://www.jetcityorange.com/binaural-beats/) jetcityorange

Hope this helps, Lise
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Esho
14 Mar 10, 16:20
from post #20

I do not know where I read about this, where it was explained that meditation focused just on the sole phenomenom of breathing gives you the alpha and theta wavelengths with no need of sounds or aid in special music. Does someone know about this?

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Kevin
14 Mar 10, 16:48
from post #21

Good poke! Here you go, Kaarine.

URL (http://www.meditationescape.com/brain-waves-during-meditation.html)

and;

URL (http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma8/monksmed.html)

Of course, what I was looking for was a sound for meditation. The fact that the sound is carried on a supporting wave was only a plus.

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Esho
14 Mar 10, 17:08
from post #22

Thanks Kevin dear,

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Just as an extra comment...

Many years ago, when I was a lot more younger... http://www.buddhismwithoutboundaries.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif I was interested in finding "the sound" which will give you inner pace... I then met Hinduism and I stayed there for a while... then, there I was guided to the notion that breath was "the sacred sound" as the heart beating.

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Kevin
14 Mar 10, 17:27
I'm not sure about the heart beating theory, Kaarine, but I was told at a local ashram the sacred sound was "Aum" (comprised of A, U, and M), was together a syllable which represented a number of different three staged phenomena appearing in Hinduism (three Vedas, three stages of life, etc.).
Here is where the same sound appears in Buddhism, however:

URL (http://www.dharma-haven.org/tibetan/meaning-of-om-mani-padme-hung.htm)

Does anyone know the answer to this question?:

Still speaking of sound, in Tibetan chanting I've heard, the sound is what I would describe as a low and largely monotone delivery.
Is this because the tone is conducive to relaxation?
I think there is some correlation between this traditional practice sound and the lower frequency sounds in binaural beats for the same purpose.

Esho
14 Mar 10, 17:32
from post #24

I am not an expert in this issue Kevin but as far as I can tell (no too far) a mantra, a pray, or a chant are just an aid to focus and still your mind for meditation. A kind of "exercise previous to play a game"; you can't get into the game if your muscle are not heated previously.

Then here comes a sort of debate... some people thinks there are "holly beings" with which you connect during that. I can't tell about that and I think that is not the issue.

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lisehull
14 Mar 10, 17:52
from post #20

Hi Kevin, thanks for the info. Are these "beats" things to listen to? I am looking for sounds that I can meditate on, to listen to as my focal object. I am not really looking for sounds that will create a mood for me. . .
Thanks,
Lise

Kevin
14 Mar 10, 18:13
from post #26

I am not promoting anything as an alternative to shamatha and vipashyana, or their Theravada, or other traditional counterparts. Only showing an experience. I didn't go looking for moods either, I went looking for sounds conducive to meditation. Then only for experimentation.
Please look at the links I provided Kaarine, above.

Kevin
14 Mar 10, 18:16
Then here comes a sort of debate... some people thinks there are "holly beings" with which you connect during that. I can't tell about that and I think that is not the issue.

What is the debate? If you have a question, ask me. I'll be happy to answer.

Esho
14 Mar 10, 18:20
from post #28

Well, ok, there are some people that belive that a pray or a mantra makes them to be in touch with heavenly beings... and that is hard for me to think about. I think that a pray, for example, in Christian tradition or a mantra have, at the end, the same purpose: to still the mind.

Is more about the sound produced than what is told in words, I think.

For example, for many years I used to listen to Bizantine Chants... the sound, the reverbering sound was realy a mean to focus your mind. To still it, even when I was not aware of the text that was chanted...

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lisehull
14 Mar 10, 18:29
I am not promoting anything as an alternative to shamatha and vipashyana, or their Theravada, or other traditional counterparts.

I wasn't suggesting that Kevin, just wanted to know more. In fact, sound meditation is a form of shamata mediation, but uses sound rather than the breath or another object as the focus.
Lise

Kevin
14 Mar 10, 18:32
from post #29

I believe you are correct, but it is not my practice to pray to heavenly beings. If it is not yours either, then don't worry yourself about it. The practice of others is their own. Just be happy to see them happy. There is too much thinking in this world already.
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Esho
14 Mar 10, 18:36
but it is not my practice to pray to heavenly beings.

Mine neither...



The practice of others is their own. Just be happy to see them happy.

Yes, thanks Kevin dear... http://www.buddhismwithoutboundaries.com/images/smilies/grin.gif

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Kevin
14 Mar 10, 18:50
from post #30

You are right. Commercially people ascribe all sorts of properties to the sound, the frequency, the wave. They do that I believe to make sales.
I only use the sound. In doing so I observed some effects. That's all.
If those effects are conducive to meditation I use them occasionally. If not, I wouldn't. That is why I experimented and noted the first time effects.
Try googling binaural beats + buddhism, see what you come up with.
Aside from this, I know people who listen to music and get moody. I really don't think any Buddhist with a modicum of practice and awareness is in any danger of being taken over by commercially available binaural beats.
IF you try any, try them for a very brief duration. Make your own observation.

lisehull
15 Mar 10, 20:27
Hey Kevin, quick question, am I correct that you are a follower of the Karma Kagyu tradition?
Lise

lisehull
15 Mar 10, 20:50
Kevin, call me paranoid, but how do you know these binaural beat files are safe and don't mess with your mind?
Lise