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stuka
25 Jun 11, 01:08
...isn't it just a little bit hypocritical for a person who thinks that it is OK to use the term "Hinayana" to be making any sort of claims about what is and is not "respect for Theravada"?

It seems a lot like a person who uses the word "nigger" all the time trying to dictate what constitutes "respect" for African-Americans...

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stuka
25 Jun 11, 01:25
Jechbi:

".....the point is that if we are going to discuss another tradition, it's important to explain the language of that tradition in the context in which it was intended. By focusing on the perceived "sectrarian claim" behind the term Hinayana, you are providing an incomplete picture of the other tradition that you are discussing.

As I wrote earlier, in any form of Buddhist practice, the approach we take only is beneficial to the extent that it inclines toward liberation. So I can understand that in a certain context, the term "Hinayana" could be useful to some people as part of a teaching about how to pay attention to one's own practice. And in fact that is how I understand the term "Hinayana," namely, not as part of a teaching aimed at judging others, but rather as part of a teaching aimed at helping one see for oneself."


Stuka's response:



"...the point is that if we are going to discuss another tradition, it's important to explain the language of that tradition in the context in which it was intended. By focusing on the perceived "sectrarian claim" behind the term Nigger, you are providing an incomplete picture of the other tradition that you are discussing.

As I wrote earlier, in any form of Buddhist practice, the approach we take only is beneficial to the extent that it inclines toward liberation. So I can understand that in a certain context, the term "Nigger" could be useful to some people as part of a teaching about how to pay attention to one's own practice. And in fact that is how I understand the term "Nigger," namely, not as part of a teaching aimed at judging others, but rather as part of a teaching aimed at helping one see for oneself."

Seems like a sad Appeal to Tradition to justify the perpetuation of an institutional slanderous lie from here...

retrofuturist
26 Jun 11, 05:14
Greetings Stuka,


It seems a lot like a person who uses the word "nigger" all the time trying to dictate what constitutes "respect" for African-Americans...
I concur.

This is where traditions like Sangharakshita's sect formerly known as the FWBO fall over... by being accepting of any and all Buddhist doctrine, they must necessarily accept and tolerate the divisive and sectarian super-sessionism inherent in the later traditions. Whilst it seems nice and fluffy on face value to be accepting of anything and everything said in the name of Buddhism, it's harmful when the Buddha's own teachings become relegated to the status of "inferior" "garbage" (both of which happen to be definitions for the word "hina")

Metta,
Retro. ;D